No classes anymore today or tomorrow.

On the 19th of July, we might hold a class, but I am still not sure, إِنْ شَاءَ ٱللَّٰهُ.

On the 20th we will start with the Arabic classes and maybe we will also continue al Ikhlas wan Niyyah.

بارك الله فيكم

دعواتكم يا إخوة

Your brother Abū Mālik has been transferred to the intensive care unit again due to a lack of oxygen and is about to fall into a coma. I ask you, by Allāh, and on this blessed night, to pray for your brother that Allāh will return him and restore his health and consciousness once again. Tonight could be the decisive night.

May Allāh cure him and restore his health and benefit us with him and put barakah in his life.

Does Allāh Touch the Throne? 👆

🚨 Clarification on a Mistake by a brother that has Spread Amongst the Students of Knowledge

Recently, a brother made a public claim that Allāh does not touch (i.e., no mumāssa with) the Throne – and cited the statement of the salaf: “Allah is over His Throne, separate (bā'in) from His creation” as his proof.

But this is not accurate, and in this audio, I want to clarify the error, present the correct understanding, and cite the exact words of our scholars.


❗️Where's the Mistake?

The brother claimed:

“Bāʾin means ‘not touching’ (lā yumāss)”

We say:
❌ This is incorrect.
✔️ Baynūnah (being separate) means non-mixing, not non-touching. A thing can be bāʾin from another while still touching it – like your hand on a table is not mixed with the table.

🔁 So using bā'in as evidence to deny touching is a linguistic and theological mistake.


📚 The Scholars on This

Here are the words of some of the senior imams on this issue:



1️⃣ Imām 'Abd al-Laṭīf Āl al-Shaykh – al-Durar al-Saniyyah fi al-Ajwibah al-Najdiyyah, vol. 3, pp. 289–290

“As for the one who says: He rose over the Throne without touching it – we have already stated that the madhhab of the salaf and the imams of Islam is to not go beyond what is in the Qur’an and Sunnah…

And the word mumāssa is an invented term that none of the salaf ever used.

If someone uses it to deny what the texts affirm (like istiwāʾ, highness, being above), then he is a deviant.

If he affirms Allah’s highness, but says without mumāssa, then he is still an innovator who spoke in ambiguous words.

So this word should neither be denied nor affirmed. The obligation is to follow the revealed words and the salafi expressions, and avoid ambiguous language.”

2️⃣ Imām Sulaymān bin Saḥmān – Tanbīh Dhawī al-Albāb al-Salīmah 'an al-Wuqūʿ fī al-Alfāẓ al-Mubtadaʿah al-Wakhīmah, p. 4:

“His statement in al-Kawākib, p. 24:

‘Istiwa' free from touching, occupying space, or indwelling.’

This is a fabricated statement never said by the salaf or their imams.

The correct creed is to stop where the texts stop.

And again, the term mumāssa is not found in the Qur’an, Sunnah, nor the statements of the companions or imams.

If someone claims it’s their way, he must bring proof. Otherwise, he is innovating in creed.”

He also said in p. 5:

“As for the statement: ‘The madhhab of the salaf is that Allah is above the Throne in reality without mumāssa’ –

Then this is attributing to the salaf what they never said.

Unless you count kalām-influenced groups who falsely claim the salafi label – their words carry no weight in this field.”

🔁 So What’s the Right Position?

Shaykh al-Islām Ibn Taymiyyah makes it clear in Bayān Talbīs al-Jahmiyyah, vol. 5, p. 127:

“That Allah is above the Throne is proven by massive textual proof, consensus, and rational evidence.

If someone says: "Does this mean Allah is touching the Throne?"

Then we say: "If it logically follows, it is no problem. There is nothing wrong in that."

The idea that Allah cannot touch anything is false. We only deny contact in specific cases (like impure things) because of their inferiority, not because contact is impossible.

Thus, either:

Contact is a necessary implication – and that’s fine.

Or it’s not necessary – in which case, the question collapses.

In both cases, there is no need to change the sound, correct belief.”

🧠 Some Said "But al-Dārimī Denied It!"

We say:

🔹 No, he didn’t.

What al-Dārimī was doing in Naqd al-Marrīsī, p. 165 (tahqīq al-Shawwāmī) was refuting a Jahmī who said:

“The Throne is above creation, and Allah is on it and on everything else, but without being in contact, mixing, or being separate, and without any space in between…”

On p. 164, the Jahmī said:

“...He is not bāʾin by separation, nor with a space between Him and creation…”

So al-Dārimī replied:

“You have lied and strayed. Rather, He is bāʾin from His creation, above the Throne, with a clear space in between, and the seven heavens are between Him and creation on earth…”

📌 He was refuting the denial of baynūnah and furjah, not denying mumāssa.
📌 The word furjah here just means distance or gap, not non-contact.
📌 So this is not proof against mumāssa, nor is it proof for it.



💬 “But al-Sijzī denied it!”

Yes, he said:

“Ahl al-Ḥaqq believe Allah is above the Throne in His essence without mumāssa, and that the Karrāmiyyah and others who affirm mumāssa are misguided.”

🛑 We say:

This statement is not accepted, and he erred in this, just like other great imams have erred before.

His contemporary, Imām Ibn Ḥāmid (d. 403H), one of the leading early Ḥanbalīs, said the opposite:

Qāḍī Abū Ya'lā reports in al-Riwāyatayn wa al-Wajhayn fī Uṣūl al-Dīn, p. 52:

“Our shaykh Abū 'Abdillāh (i.e., Ibn Ḥāmid) said: ‘Istiwa' means contact (mumāssa), and He is seated on His Throne.’”

So what now?

Both are great scholars.

Both differed.

We don’t affirm or deny mumāssa.

We stick to the words of the Salaf.

That’s it.

A Summary:

✅ The Correct Position

❌ Do not say: “Allah touches the Throne.”

❌ Do not say: “Allah does not touch the Throne.”

✅ Say: “Allah ascended above the Throne, and He is above it, and separate from creation.”